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    i am an African living in the UK and i just ordered the hairmax laser comb. i have male pattern baldness and since i do not want to use chemicals on my hair because of the side effects. My worry is, i have gone through balding post and blogs online and no one seems to give any credit to this product (hairmax comb). If the trials hairmax carried out was not statistically significantly, then this may perhaps mean the comb may not be good enough. I have even gone through most of the post here on hairmax forum and the messages people send tends to go towards the negative than positive. Very few people have categorically said this product works. Please if it has worked for anyone on this blog, let me know so that atleast i can be encouraged after shelling out 345 pounds!!!!
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    Hi Bond -

    Thank you for your purchase of the HairMax LaserComb.

    It is a fact that people who are dissatisfied with any product are more likely to complain on the internet than those who have had success. Many of the failures of treatment with the HairMax result from people not using the device for the recommended period of time and are therefore not achieving unrealistic results. Also, many people have tried to treat their condition for severe hair loss, not just mild to moderate as per the chart on the pack.

    The HairMax LaserComb has been used by hundreds of thousands of individuals worldwide and the fact that there are over 55,000 members on the HairMax Forum attests to the success of the device. Our web site is full of testimonials, too. Further, our return rate is less than 3% for a device at this price point.

    That said, will the HairMax or any other treatment for hair loss work for every single individual? The answer is no, as each individual reacts differently to treatment with any drug or device. The only way a person will be able to know their response is to use the device for at least 20 to 26 weeks. We also assume that you have mild to moderate hair loss per the chart on the pack.

    In conclusion, we suggest that you study the responses on the HairMax Forum so that you gain confidence about expected results and use the device as directed for the proper length of time.

    We wish you success in your treatment with the HairMax LaserComb.

    LAS

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    well said LAS....i have gone through other post and i must say it does work and like you said, depending on the stage of hairloss. My hairloss is weird because i had full hair just 6momths ago and all of a sudden, my hair started to thin and very fast. i went to see a G.P to rule out other courses and he confirmed it is male pattern baldness. the rate at which my hair is thinning is scary. I decided to have a haircut using step two and this is what i found out. the hair has thinned when compared to other part of the hair. It looks a bit good but in reality it is now noticeable and the other side is way worse. i wonder y it happened over night and what can hairmax do in this situation? regrow the hair or make it thicker to look fuller. and how long will the hairmax effect last if i continue using it as recommended?
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    Hi Bond -

    Thanks for the reply.

    I would recommend that you see a dermatologist for a diagnosis of your hair loss. You use the term, 'rapidly', but that has may meanings. When hair falls out noticeably in a short period of time it could be from other causes which a dermatologist can rule out. If it is happening over 6 months then it is probably androgenetic alopecia.

    So, it sound to me (I am not a doctor) from your description and from the image you sent, that you are experiencing androgenetic alopecia, and if that is the case, then using the HairMax early rather than later, can help regrow your hair lost, and help you keep what you have.

    We wish you success in your use of the HairMax LaserComb.

    LAS

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    Hi Lass,

    Thanks alot for your reply. i have just received the hairmax. I was just curious, i know it may take time for me to see the effect. But when it starts to work, what should i expect? From the picture i sent, I have not lost a lot of hairs on my head, but they are pretty thin. So should i expect the thinned hair to get thicker? or it will not further get thin again...I wish you could paint a scenario for me using my picture i sent.

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    Hi bond -

    Thanks for your reply.

    Everyone reacts differently to treatment with the HairMax LaserComb. However, this is what generally occurs from treatment.

    - You may see some shedding during the first 4 - 8 weeks of treatment which will stop and begin the process of producing new thicker hair.
    - At about the 12 - 16 weeks point you should start to see thicker hairs growing and your thinning areas beginning to fill in. (Hair grows about 1/2 inch a month so that is why it takes time.
    - By week 20 -26 you should continue to see improvement and by continuous use, you can help to keep what you have and prevent further hair loss.

    We recommend that you read this page of the HairMax Web site: http://www.hairmax.com/hair-growth-treatment for further guidance.

    The overall recommendation to everyone is to use the HairMax for AT LEAST 20 weeks to judge results and not focus on day to day results.

    We wish you success in your use of the HairMax LaserComb.

    LAS

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    Hi Las,

    I have started using the product and i am being optimistic. However, it is normal for anyone suffering from such issues to keep on researching to find out more information. I stumbled on the American Hair loss association website and say this;

    "The truth is the HairMax laser Comb still remains on the questionable product list here at The American Hair Loss Association".

    "So to Answer your question more directly, until valid clinical trials can substantiate the hair-raising claims of the HairMax Laser Comb’s manufacturers, The American Hair Loss Association can not endorse the use of The HairMax Laser Comb for the treatment of any form hair loss".

    I have read on hairmax forum where the land i have read studies performed using hairmax laser comb and a shame laser comb. The study was significant at p < 0.0001 if i am right. If this is so, then why havnt the American Hair Loss Association approved hairmax laser comb to treat any form of hairloss??

    Secondly, why is it taking a lot of time for hairmax company to carry out more research to prove its effectiveness??

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    Hi Bond -

    Thanks for your post.

    The HairMax LaserComb as you point out has been proven to effective in a well controlled, double blind trial conducted in 2006 which led to FDA marketing Clearance in 2007. In answer to your question about further research with the HairMax, in 2009/2010 a series of 4 more well controlled double blind clinical trials were conducted and submitted to the FDA which resulted in 5 more FDA marketing Clearances, including Clearance for marketing for women with hereditary hair loss. The researchers of the device were some of the top key opinion leaders in dermatology, and they are in the process of generating a clinical paper on the results of these trials. This takes time to write and get published, but we hope that by the end of 2013 the results will be published in a peer review medical journal. So far, 7 clinical trials with 460 subjects have been conducted, all of which conclusively proved the HairMax as safe and effective. Here is the abstract of the 2006 clinical study proving efficacy and safety.

    "Clin Drug Investig. 2009;29(5):283-92. doi: 10.2165/00044011-200929050-00001.
    HairMax LaserComb laser phototherapy device in the treatment of male androgenetic alopecia: A randomized, double-blind, sham device-controlled, multicentre trial.
    Leavitt M, Charles G, Heyman E, Michaels D.

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    Private Dermatology Practice, Maitland, Florida, USA. mlleavitt@aol.com

    Abstract
    BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVE:
    The use of low levels of visible or near infrared light for reducing pain, inflammation and oedema, promoting healing of wounds, deeper tissue and nerves, and preventing tissue damage has been known for almost 40 years since the invention of lasers. The HairMax LaserComb is a hand-held Class 3R lower level laser therapy device that contains a single laser module that emulates 9 beams at a wavelength of 655 nm (+/-5%). The device uses a technique of parting the user's hair by combs that are attached to the device. This improves delivery of distributed laser light to the scalp. The combs are designed so that each of the teeth on the combs aligns with a laser beam. By aligning the teeth with the laser beams, the hair can be parted and the laser energy delivered to the scalp of the user without obstruction by the individual hairs on the scalp. The primary aim of the study was to assess the safety and effectiveness of the HairMax LaserComb laser phototherapy device in the promotion of hair growth and in the cessation of hair loss in males diagnosed with androgenetic alopecia (AGA).
    METHODS:
    This double-blind, sham device-controlled, multicentre, 26-week trial randomized male patients with Norwood-Hamilton classes IIa-V AGA to treatment with the HairMax LaserComb or the sham device (2 : 1). The sham device used in the study was identical to the active device except that the laser light was replaced by a non-active incandescent light source.
    RESULTS:
    Of the 110 patients who completed the study, subjects in the HairMax LaserComb treatment group exhibited a significantly greater increase in mean terminal hair density than subjects in the sham device group (p < 0.0001). Consistent with this evidence for primary effectiveness, significant improvements in overall hair regrowth were demonstrated in terms of patients' subjective assessment (p < 0.015) at 26 weeks over baseline. The HairMax LaserComb was well tolerated with no serious adverse events reported and no statistical difference in adverse effects between the study groups.
    CONCLUSIONS:
    The results of this study suggest that the HairMax LaserComb is an effective, well tolerated and safe laser phototherapy device for the treatment of AGA in males."

    We do not know why the American Hair Loss Association has published their comment, but we know that they do not officially endorse any products. They do not have good things to say about a lot of products.

    The real proof of efficacy is how people respond to the HairMax and our low, less than 3% return rate plus the positive comments on the Forum, proves the device is working.

    In conclusion, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but there is conclusive proof as to the efficacy of the HairMax.

    We wish you success in your treatment with the HairMax LaserComb.

    LAS

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    Thanks LAS,

    I have been browsing as usual and i have seen the full study, but it does not actually prove the effectiveness of HairMax over the sham device...or am i missing something here?? I am not looking for any miracle hair growth product because i do not think there is any out there without serious side effect. I still have some hair on my hair. I just have a lot of thinning and i want a product that can make my hair thicker and slow the MPB. As stated earlier, please let me understand this result stated below which is from your study published in 2009...And let someone who has used this product comment. the forum is kinda boring or is there a law prohibiting people from discussing here? All i see is a comment after a week ...

    Table IV.
    Subjects’ and investigator’s assessment of overall hair regrowth at week 26 Assessment H HairMax LaserComb® Sham device p-Value
    [n (%)] [n (%)]
    Subjects’ assessment at week 26 n = 76 n = 39
    No growth 28 (36. 21 (53.9) 0.01
    Minimal growth 30 (39.5) 16 (41.0)
    Moderate growth 17 (22.4) 2 (5.1)
    Dense growth 1 (1.3) 0 (0)

    Investigator’s assessment at week 26 n = 72 n = 38
    No growth 46 (63.9) 22 (57.9) 0.45
    Minimal growth 18 (25.0) 10 (26.3)
    Moderate growth 7 (9.7) 5 (13.2)
    Dense growth 1 (1.4) 1 (2.6)

    A HairMax LaserComb® vs sham device.
    Last edited by LAS; 09-06-2013 at 09:50 AM.

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    Hi Bond -

    Thanks for the post. The overall answer to your question, is that you are not seeing the big picture, and are only selecting data which is not the basis of Clearance for the HairMax.

    First of all to answer your questions as to the results in the charts you quote above. In most clinical studies, and with the HairMax clinical studies, investigator and subjective results of the trials are used as secondary or tertiary measurement for the following reasons:

    Methods for visually scoring the amount of hair growth have been in use for some time. However, it has been found from many studies on hair growth, that this Subjective measurement at various different time points is subject to wide variability in photography, hair condition, style, length, moisture content, etc. which renders the results unpredictable. Therefore, since standardization was also impossible to accomplish in these studies, Subjective assessments from the subject and investigator were classified as Tertiary Objects (i.e. purely observational, and not at all a part of the overall analysis). The FDA Cleared the HairMax based on the results of the Objective results, i.e. change in hair count.

    Never-the-less, if you look at the more precise chart, 'Subjects Assessment of Thickness and Fullness of Hair Density', the results at 26 weeks were statistically significantly different between the HairMax and the placebo. Further, it was observed that over the course of the study there was a decrease in the placebo device response over time compared to the HairMax, showing a more durable response with the HairMax treatment.

    As to the Investigator Global Assessment for which you refer, here is the quote from the Final Study Report regarding the difference between the Objective results which showed statistically significant increase in hair count over the sham device:

    "Since these results were not in agreement with the Primary efficacy results, i.e. changes in hair count, additional analyses were completed to assess the association of these measure with the Objective efficacy outcomes. The data show a positive relationship between Observed hair count and investigator assessment in those subjects with greater than 129 hair per square inch in hair counts vs. those with less than 32 hairs per square inch. Investigators assessed the category of minimal growth/moderate growth in 55.9% of subjects with greater than 129 per square inch increase in hair count vs. only 39.3% of subjects with less than 32 hairs per square inch. These data while not reaching a level of significance, indicate the presence of a correlation between Objective response and investigator Subjective assessment."

    You can slice and dice the studies in many, many ways, but the real proof of efficacy is that in the male studies, the results showed that the AVERAGE number of terminal hairs per square inch (hair counts) increased by 139.3 hairs at the completion of the study vs. 27.7 hairs per square inch for the placebo. For the females, the AVERAGE number of terminal hairs increased by 132.2 hairs per square inch at the completion of the study vs. 17.4 hairs per square inch for the placebo. (Obviously, there were many subjects who experienced even greater hair growth than the average)

    I also do not understand your comment and do not have any idea how you were able to make this observation: "And let someone who has used this product comment. the forum is kinda boring or is there a law prohibiting people from discussing here? All I see is a comment after a week ..." as there are many, many discussions as to long term results from the over 55,000 members of this Forum.

    In conclusion, the HairMax LaserComb has been proven to increase hair counts in a predictable and consistent manner. And, the FDA has given the HairMax a total of 6 Clearances based on the results of the studies. However, we cannot predict the results for each individual, so it is vital to try the device for a full 20 weeks to see if it works for you. If you purchased the HairMax from Lexington, we will take back the device at 20 weeks and refund your purchase, less a 20% restocking charge.

    We wish you success in your use of the HairMax LaserComb.

    LAS

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    Last edited by LAS; 09-06-2013 at 10:02 AM.

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    Hi Las,

    Firstly, if it is believed that there was actually a significant deference and if we are going by the subjects judgement (study participants) and it is believed that for the objective assessment, the result questions the validity of the investigator's subjective global assessment because of their lack of agreement with actual terminal growth shown in table II, why haven't Hairmax conducted another study to actually put the facts straight. this is because in as much as we can believe in subject's (study participants) assessment, it should correlate with the known global assessment (objective assessment). Before and after pictures of the study participants if presented in the study should have perhaps backed your claim, so my question is why wasnt it put in the study?????

    I know there is a new study being peer reviewed "Treatment of androgenetic alopecia in females, 12 beams". This is good as it will prove if it is efficacious in females or not. But one may question why not conduct another study to clarify the issues surrounding the efficacy of the first study (HairMax LaserComb laser phototherapy device in the treatment of male androgenetic alopecia: A randomized, double-blind, sham device-controlled, multicentre trial) so that customers will be highly confident in the product they are using.

    I say this because i never knew hair loss will affect me this bad. i bet it is thesame for every one having this problem and that is why we are on HAIRMAXFORUM. it is sad to go online and visit hairloss forums and blogs and all u see is a large amount of people saying HAIRMAX LASER COMB IS A SHAM OR SCAM DEVICE!! and they argue that even in the study, it was not more effective than the placebo or sham device. So many renowned hair experts or doctors have also openly said hairmax laser comb doesnt work and perhaps u ant blame them because from going through your study, results shows different result making it inconclusive.

    Please for the sake of your customers and those going through hairloss and for science in general, conduct a new research so that even if you visit hairloss forums and blog and they say its a scam device, you can argue your point by showing evidence of a peer reviewed study and it also gives to those using the product the confidence that it will work (psychological boost).

    Thank you...

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    Hi Bond -

    Thank you for your post.

    We believe that with 7 clinical studies, and with 460 subjects that proved the HairMax LaserComb consistently and predictably safe and effective, that we have done enough proof of efficacy studies in this regard. There is an old saying that applies here, "there are none so blind as those who will not see",and you can't do anything to convince these type of people.

    It is a fact that people dissatisfied with any treatment, will complain on internet posts, much more than people satisfied with their treatment. We have the 20 week money back guarantee when purchased from Lexington directly (less the 20% restocking charge), that allows people to try the HairMax and return it if they are dissatisfied. With that generous return policy, our return rate is less than 3% from the hundreds of thousands of devices sold, so we believe that their is a high satisfaction rate out there.

    In conclusion, men and women have to try the HairMax, and only in that way will they be able to judge for themselves how effective the device is for them.

    We wish you success in your use of the HairMax LaserComb.

    LAS

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